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Post by phlash on Feb 1, 2024 11:10:44 GMT -7
This class is for open-cockpit type, 3-liter Sports/Prototype cars raced at Le Mans during the years; 72’ - 75’.
This class will commence after the conclusion of the Ford GT class, starting approximately March, 30th, 2024.
In the interest of avoiding a “modified” classification, certain cars/manufacturers are intentionally omitted from class inclusion even though their actual namesake competed. Thus, the resultant restricted amount of modification is allowed.
1. Only specified cars listed below are eligible.
2. This is a Box Stock Plus (BS+) class, with specified modifications for only the selected cars allowed.
3. Original wheel dimensions must be retained if plastic wheels are replaced with aluminum wheels.
4. Stock tires may be replaced with silicone tires, which must not exceed or protrude from fender width dimensions.
5. 1/16” chassis/track clearance.
6. No traction magnets
6. Stock gearing: 11/32 pinion/axle gear
6. All bodies must have numbers displayed on both sides of car as well as top of frontal section.
7. The following list of cars/manufacturers are eligible for inclusion along with any parts upgrades specified for that car.
Alfa Romeo 33/3 - Slot It
Matra MS670B - Slot It
Porsche 908/3 - NSR
Ferrari 312 PB - Policar/Slot It
Mirage GR8 - Scalextric
Allowed modifications;
Slot It - May upgrade to newer parts that are used in recent releases of the car, such as the 32T spur gear.
Policar - Replacement of stock plastic wheels with aluminum wheels of same dimensions.
NSR - None, except for the following clarification; As stated regarding Slot It and Policar, recent releases of these cars from the manufacturers that have upgraded parts may be utilized in previous versions.
Scalextric - As of this writing, there are no examples of the car available to determine the extent of allowable upgrades. However, axles, bushings, corresponding gears and replacement of stock plastic wheels with aluminum wheels of same dimensions are allowed. When this car is available for retail sale, determination will then be made as to the extent of any other possible upgrades. Such amendment(s) will be posted regarding the Scalextric Mirage GR 8.
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Post by Tom Dolan on Feb 1, 2024 20:59:58 GMT -7
So, if we change the running gear on the Scaley GR8, can we change the running gear (including motor, to be competitive) on the Fly 908/3?
Tom
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Post by phlash on Feb 1, 2024 22:07:04 GMT -7
No FLY cars are listed as explained in the third paragraph; "In the interest of avoiding a “modified” classification, certain cars/manufacturers are intentionally omitted from class inclusion even though their actual namesake competed. Thus, the resultant restricted amount of modification is allowed."
NSR provides an example (even though it's the 908/3 version and not the 908/2) that's comparable in performance right out of the box.
Minimizing any need for expanding modifications.
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Post by Tom Dolan on Feb 4, 2024 14:58:15 GMT -7
This class is for open-cockpit type, 3-liter Sports/Prototype cars raced at Le Mans during the years; 72’ - 75’. This class will commence after the conclusion of the Ford GT class, starting approximately March, 30th, 2024. In the interest of avoiding a “ modified” classification, certain cars/manufacturers are intentionally omitted from class inclusion even though their actual namesake competed. Thus, the resultant restricted amount of modification is allowed. 1. Only specified cars listed below are eligible. 2. This is a Box Stock Plus (BS+) class, with specified modifications for only the selected cars allowed. 3. Original wheel dimensions must be retained if plastic wheels are replaced with aluminum wheels. 4. Stock tires may be replaced with silicone tires, which must not exceed or protrude from fender width dimensions. 5. 1/16” chassis/track clearance. 6. No traction magnets 6. Stock gearing: 11/32 pinion/axle gear 6. All bodies must have numbers displayed on both sides of car as well as top of frontal section. 7. The following list of cars/manufacturers are eligible for inclusion along with any parts upgrades specified for that car. Alfa Romeo 33/3 - Slot It Matra MS670B - Slot It Porsche 908/3 - NSR Ferrari 312 PB - Policar/Slot It Mirage GR8 - Scalextric Allowed modifications; Slot It - May upgrade to newer parts that are used in recent releases of the car, such as the 32T spur gear. Policar - Replacement of stock plastic wheels with aluminum wheels of same dimensions. NSR - None Scalextric - As of this writing, there are no examples of the car available to determine the extent of allowable upgrades. However, axles, bushings, corresponding gears and replacement of stock plastic wheels with aluminum wheels of same dimensions are allowed. When this car is available for retail sale, determination will then be made as to the extent of any other possible upgrades. Such amendment(s) will be posted regarding the Scalextric Mirage GR 8. When you allow upgrades to Slot.it or Policar cars, they are NOT box stock + anymore. Upgrades are NOT allowed in that category. I don't think it's necessary to "upgrade" cars that are already fast enough. If these are allowed, then upgrades should be allowed to Fly cars like the 908/2, etc. Tom |
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Post by phlash on Feb 4, 2024 17:29:42 GMT -7
When you allow upgrades to Slot.it or Policar cars, they are NOT box stock + anymore. Upgrades are NOT allowed in that category. I don't think it's necessary to "upgrade" cars that are already fast enough. If these are allowed, then upgrades should be allowed to Fly cars like the 908/2, etc. Tom The Slot It, and Policar "upgrades" are the self-same ones we've used for other "BSP+" classes. They're only allowed in the first place because in Slot Its case; that manufacturer released newer versions of those cars. Why make a member buy a completely new car just because a different spur gear or guide was replaced by the company to improve their cars performance? Regarding Policar, replacing plastic wheels with aluminum ones so that all cars are then using aluminum ones is really not much of a performance upgrade. It just ensures reliability. Why exactly with NSR's Porsche 908/3 being equal to Slot It and Policar cars, are you fixated on the FLY 908? Why don't you want to use the NSR version and avoid all of the performance upgrades and their attendant costs, required to bring the FLY version up to parity? |
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Post by Tom Dolan on Feb 4, 2024 21:18:57 GMT -7
I stand by my assertion that it doesn't abide by the Box Stock+ rules. Forget about the Fly 908/2. NSR released newer versions of their 908 also with a 21.5 motor instead of the previous 20k motor. Are we allowed to upgrade the motor in the older version also??
Tom
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Post by Jim W on Feb 5, 2024 10:37:32 GMT -7
I guess we could call the class, Super Stock, and not allow any modifications other than what is used in Box Stock cars in this class. I do think that would be quite confusing to everyone.
Jim W
Robert has written the rules so we can understand them. He is very detailed in what the rules are when he posts them. I haven't used the same details when I have posted the rules for a class.
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Post by Tom Dolan on Feb 5, 2024 11:34:55 GMT -7
I guess we could call the class, Super Stock, and not allow any modifications other than what is used in Box Stock cars in this class. I do think that would be quite confusing to everyone. Jim W Robert has written the rules so we can understand them. He is very detailed in what the rules are when he posts them. I haven't used the same details when I have posted the rules for a class. That doesn't really answer my question about the NSR 21.5k motor. And why would what you said be confusing? Tom  |
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Post by Jim W on Feb 5, 2024 12:02:06 GMT -7
The NSR 21.5 is a 21.9k motor rated at 12 volts as a standard. It now has screw holes in the case to allow the motor to be tightened to the motor pod.
The Box Stock plus class has additional notes on the "Offical" posting many times before. It has always allowed some better clarification of the cars that can be used in that class. Now something like using a 21.5k motor in a Carrera DTM Box stock plus would NOT be legal.
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Post by Jim W on Feb 5, 2024 12:10:02 GMT -7
You would have to look at the "Offical" post to see if there was a change to rules as posted. Again, anything, posted below that first, "Offical" post, does not change the rules for the class. So, I would look there for any additions or other changes to the rules.
Jim W
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Post by Tom Dolan on Feb 5, 2024 13:11:53 GMT -7
The NSR 21.5 is a 21.9k motor rated at 12 volts as a standard. It now has screw holes in the case to allow the motor to be tightened to the motor pod. The Box Stock plus class has additional notes on the "Offical" posting many times before. It has always allowed some better clarification of the cars that can be used in that class. Now something like using a 21.5k motor in a Carrera DTM Box stock plus would NOT be legal. Jim W Maybe you don't understand the question. Since it says for slot.it Slot It - May upgrade to newer parts that are used in recent releases of the car, such as the 32T spur gear, can we or can we or can we not upgrade the 20k motor in the older NSR cars to the more current 21.5K motor? Tom |
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Post by phlash on Feb 5, 2024 15:49:26 GMT -7
Having just logged in, I see another query from Tom, and replies from Jim. Thank you Jim for jumping in earlier today to answer Tom's question.
The simple answer is, yes Tom, any previous version of NSR's Porsche 908/3 may upgrade the motor and any other parts that NSR may have changed on that car. The NSR Porsche 908/3 listed as an eligible entry to this class was indeed their "latest" version which is equipped with the 21.5K motor (no other versions) as described on websites that sell this car. So by practical extension, any older versions of this car may be upgraded as well.
The 'Official' rules now reflect this on the NSR 'upgrades' listed at the end of the rules.
Hope this clears it all up for you.
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Post by Tom Dolan on Feb 5, 2024 16:38:37 GMT -7
Having just logged in, I see another query from Tom, and replies from Jim. Thank you Jim for jumping in earlier today to answer Tom's question. The simple answer is, yes Tom, any previous version of NSR's Porsche 908/3 may upgrade the motor and any other parts that NSR may have changed on that car. The NSR Porsche 908/3 listed as an eligible entry to this class was indeed their "latest" version which is equipped with the 21.5K motor (no other versions) as described on websites that sell this car. So by practical extension, any older versions of this car may be upgraded as well. The 'Official' rules now reflect this on the NSR 'upgrades' listed at the end of the rules. Hope this clears it all up for you. Thank you Robert-that's all I wanted to know. Tom |
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Post by Jim W on Feb 6, 2024 9:50:24 GMT -7
Before replacing a motor in an NSR Classic car, like the Porsche 908/3, you may want to read a post about NSR motor pods in the General section. I have some recommendations that worked for me to improve my experience with these cars.
Jim W
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Post by DennLeo on Feb 6, 2024 12:51:42 GMT -7
I went with the Slot it Alfa Romeo 33/3 white kit. I don't believe there is any restrictions on color, Livery, or numbering is there?
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