dkmura
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Post by dkmura on Dec 2, 2021 17:19:35 GMT -7
How does everybody feel about an IROC (International Race of Champions) series being scheduled for the future. This series would feature box stock cars (TBD type and models), to put the premium of driving, rather than preparation and tuning. The same cars would be supplied each race, and each racer would get the opportunity to run all the lanes (as usual) with different cars. Even the same controllers would be mandated, and to even things further, the stock tires would be used.
As you might guess, this class would be SLOW(er), and since nobody would have to bring a car to the Wednesday or Saturday races (except for whoever is assigned to bring the IROC cars) the competition takes on a slightly different focus. Please vote on the poll, as depending on the results, the competition committee will either start planning for an IROC series or delete the idea from the schedule.
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Post by phlash on Dec 2, 2021 18:28:33 GMT -7
I've pitched for this idea for a long time. Everybody gets to run the same equipment. There are no inherent advantages for anybody. It's about as equitable as is possible. Magnet removal is a must. Stock tires is an interesting idea. You think NSR F1 accidents are bad - - - . Those stock tires will ensure a lot of rubbin' & bumpin & spinnin' until everyone gets the hang of it. The only variable; controller setting adjustments. Would be very entertaining racing!
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Post by Jim W on Dec 4, 2021 9:16:51 GMT -7
I was looking on a couple of sites and they are listing Scaleauto "cup" series cars. These are cars that are the same and come in different colors: White, Blue, Orange, Yellow and Red and are listed on the sites. The Mercedes AMG is in stock for $65.99/($75.99 Professor Motor) each. Or you could use the Pioneer Legends, which no one has raced. Using stock tires may be a problem. Everyone talks about after using Silicone tires or Rubber tires on a track, the track gets "rubbered in". When you switch to a different compound of tire, such as from Rubber to Silicone, the track loses all of it's traction. As you seen last Wednesday at my track, running the "other" direction, the cars were slip sliding all around. The track was not used in this direction before, so traction was minimal. The last cars had the advantage, after us first guys laid the "rubber" down. If you are wearied about an advantage, you could also use Controllers without any adjustments. These would be resister controllers. Each of my tracks, 5 of them, came with resister controllers. The last owner of my track, called the Professor motor controller with adjustable sensitivity and adjustable brakes, "cheater" controllers.
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Post by Jim W on Dec 7, 2021 10:05:54 GMT -7
For an even better car, the Policar Subaru BRZ, with lights, from Professor Motor. Lists for $32.99, on sale for $19.99. Comes in various colors, such as red, blue, yellow, gold, cyan, and silver. Uses Slot.it parts, such as 13.5k motor, plastic wheels and axles.
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Post by John Parker on Dec 7, 2021 15:21:20 GMT -7
Jim
Are you thinking the club can buy those IROC cars?
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Jim W
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Post by Jim W on Dec 7, 2021 16:39:40 GMT -7
If you look at the Poll, I didn't vote for the class. I think we run this type of racing all the time. We call it Box Stock plus. We could think about the Club buying the cars. I wouldn't want "my" cars used for a whole series by all of the other drivers. I see each week how they drive with their own cars, I can guess how we all would drive with someone else's, such as the Club's, cars.
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Now you know why I am not making the rules, I can't think of anything new!!!
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Post by John Parker on Dec 7, 2021 16:55:46 GMT -7
David M came up with an idea that I like the sound of. He can expand more on it. But basically we have 3 to 4 sets of cars for the races. Then before practice or race we flip a coin as to which set we will race. This way know one has a real edge.
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Post by phlash on Dec 7, 2021 21:25:01 GMT -7
Not sure about the cost of 3 or 4 sets of cars. If the club is paying for 4 cars, that would cost about $90+ for the BRZs. I'm not thinking that anyone would have an edge regardless of which cars were raced given that it is all based on rotation of drivers anyway. Cars all stay in their 'assigned lanes' throughout the event.
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Post by John Parker on Dec 8, 2021 0:16:24 GMT -7
Sorry, I didn't explain it properly.
Club buys the set you suggested.
2 to 3 more sets provided by people who have them.
3 to 4 sets total
If 4 sets divided by 12 races. Each sets runs a max of 3 races
If 3 sets then, 4 races each.
But what we race in IROC format is determined by coin flip before the race.
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Post by chris on Dec 9, 2021 18:22:04 GMT -7
I don't mind the idea of a Stock Iroc class however when you take the magnet out and use the stock tires I'm afraid it will be a wreck fest that will very difficult and and not much fun. I would rather see it be box stock plus tires in an Iroc format. Tire change doesn't give any kind of advantage to anyone, it benefits everyone.
An option that would allow us to use silicone tires but not to the extent of Super Tires is Slot it Silicone tires. They come in a pack of 4 for around $9.00.
From my experience they aren't as good as Super Tires but are much better than stock tires. Just my thoughts.
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Post by phlash on Dec 9, 2021 22:12:15 GMT -7
Chris, you bring up a valid point, but it would be interesting to see if they drove like on an ice skating rink. Otherwise I'd probably vote for Super Tires silicones if for nothing else than price savings.
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Post by chris on Dec 10, 2021 8:19:24 GMT -7
Chris, you bring up a valid point, but it would be interesting to see if they drove like on an ice skating rink. Otherwise I'd probably vote for Super Tires silicones if for nothing else than price savings. Robert, my preference would also be Super Tires, I was just thinking we could make a compromise in this case, and the Slot it tires come in packs of four tires so it would be roughly half the price as Super Tires because they come in only packs of two tires for around the same price. |
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Post by Jim W on Dec 13, 2021 10:49:04 GMT -7
We ran a class over ten years ago, where all parts for the car were Slot.it, including the tires. I tried multiple tires from Slot.it, at the time. I found a set of tires that Slot.it would include with the cars, S1 compound. When I tried the tires, they worked great, until I ran them later on. The car kept losing about a half a second of lap time. When I put a new set on, the car would immediately be a half a second quicker again. What I found out was, the tires were expanding on the wheels, and then the tires were slipping on the wheels. This was the first car that I "glued" the tires on the wheels. I don't run the car with Club because we have never had the same rules, but the car still runs the same every time I use it. So, using different tires, besides the aftermarket Silicone tires, may be a problem for an IROC class car.
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Post by phlash on Dec 13, 2021 22:22:00 GMT -7
Maybe we can get one of those 'Super Tire' deals if you buy ? # of tires!
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Post by dkmura on Dec 18, 2021 10:47:05 GMT -7
How about an IROC series where we pick 2-4 members to bring cars from a past series? That way, the cars are basically sorted, and even though some may be faster than others, everybody gets a chance to run (and adapt) them. It evens the playing field that much more...
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