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Post by DennLeo on Mar 17, 2024 14:59:57 GMT -7
I know most of you won't like this comment but its what I think. I don't see a need to tech other than making sure the magnets are out. Everyone should be on their honor to compete within the known rules however I will abide by what everyone agrees upon. Even 1/16 inch is silly in my opinion. As long as the car doesn't contact the track in any place that works for me. Maybe just tech the top three places. Counting gear teeth? that's pushing it a little. Don't mind me. I am just bored waiting for my corned beef to finish in the slow cooker.
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Post by amiatanut/marc.gosselin on Mar 17, 2024 15:09:06 GMT -7
Dennis, Ive held back on replying to this topic but I am in complete agreement with you. There is no money on the line, if you have to cheat to win then i hope your guilt eats you up!
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Post by dkmura on Mar 17, 2024 19:59:44 GMT -7
Here's another thought: why not use tech at some of our races as a source of enlightenment? For instance, this Wednesday we race at Jim Weikum's track, and I'd be willing to have him use his chassis dyno to check my Sideways and NSR cars before the race. Maybe we could take the top 3 after each race and post the final results to provide a comparison for the membership?
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Post by dkmura on Mar 17, 2024 20:04:37 GMT -7
Deleted- duplicate!
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Post by amiatanut/marc.gosselin on Mar 17, 2024 20:11:49 GMT -7
Hey David, thats 2 similar thoughts that you had! And good ones at that. I could go for that.
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Post by Jim W on Mar 18, 2024 7:35:31 GMT -7
Since we race at most tracks that can have a magnetic effect between the motor and the rails, the 1/16th inch minimum ground clearance will have an overall result on lap times. Robert and I witnessed it in a Can Am race for the Vintage Club at Colpar. A car that was very low and had a strong magnet effect motor, was about a second quicker than any other car that day. Yes, an inspection of a car, with the rules as a guide for the inspection of the class, is needed. I have seen cars that shouldn't have been raced, that were used, and some of those cars may have won the race for that day/night.
When I do an inspection of a car, if I find a problem, I will have another inspector look at the car to confirm the problem, before I notify the owner of the car. I also will have another inspector do the inspection of my car. I had my car fail before, so I had to repair or replace before the start of the race.
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Post by Tom Dolan on Mar 18, 2024 8:23:34 GMT -7
Since we race at most tracks that can have a magnetic effect between the motor and the rails, the 1/16th inch minimum ground clearance will have an overall result on lap times. Robert and I witnessed it in a Can Am race for the Vintage Club at Colpar. A car that was very low and had a strong magnet effect motor, was about a second quicker than any other car that day. Yes, an inspection of a car, with the rules as a guide for the inspection of the class, is needed. I have seen cars that shouldn't have been raced, that were used, and some of those cars may have won the race for that day/night. When I do an inspection of a car, if I find a problem, I will have another inspector look at the car to confirm the problem, before I notify the owner of the car. I also will have another inspector do the inspection of my car. I had my car fail before, so I had to repair or replace before the start of the race. Jim W Well said Jim. I was gpoing to say something to the same effect. Tom
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Post by DennLeo on Mar 18, 2024 9:21:21 GMT -7
I just checked some of my cars to see if there is significant magnetic attraction from the motor magnet. The can motors with no covering do have magnetic attraction but the motors with a covering of some sort paper or plastic wrap do not have any noticeable attraction. So I guess the 1/16 is needed to prevent bare metal cans from magnetic attraction.
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Post by David C on Mar 18, 2024 17:07:45 GMT -7
Another thing I thick should be allowed is the changing of the pinion and/or spur gear. It allows you to adjust your race car to better perform depending on the type of track your racing on. be it a track with long straights and big sweeping turns or a short track with tight turns. Are we restricted with a certain Super Tire # with a specific diameter? Is that checked at "tech"? I think the gear change should be allowed in some races. Such as a Slot-it group C race AND allow chassis suspension and other components made by Slot-it or whatever is offered by that specific manufacture. Do the 1:1 race car events not allow gear changes? Make the wrong choice... that's your problem.
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Post by jerryoleson on Mar 18, 2024 18:00:27 GMT -7
I do not know anyone in our club who can look at a car and know what motor belongs in it, or can tell if it's been "improved" Given that, I believe a gear ratio standard is useless. I also agree that if someone wants to play with their motor they are only fooling themselves. So I agree with the simple ground clearance and tire width tech I think adjusting for raised rails is unnecessary. YOMV
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Post by jerryoleson on Mar 18, 2024 18:08:12 GMT -7
I would like to see a clear drawing of the 1/16 clearance rule as there has been some gray area in the past as on front and rear overhang and gear or motor cover allowance
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Post by jerryoleson on Mar 18, 2024 18:18:04 GMT -7
And Dave C, 1to1 "spec" racers do not allow gear changes on a National level, I cannot speak to local rules, Ian may have an idea as he has ran local circle track, and some of our members may have experience with Drags.I'll bring an SCCA rule book and you can see how thick it is as they attempt to create a level playing field. NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE FOR US!
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Post by blr on Mar 18, 2024 18:36:55 GMT -7
All cars will be given to any designated board member whose responsibility for teching will be stated before the race. All cars that pass tech will remain in an impound until raced. Any car that does not initially pass tech, will be returned to owner for adjustments and will go through the process until it passes or is disqualified from competition. Another car that has passed tech will have to be substituted, to enable the entrant to participate in the race.
Tech will consist of a body-on assessment, checking to ensure no traction magnet is utilized, 1/16” ground clearance has been achieved, unless waived due to manufacture anomaly, such as axle-gear cover protrusion etc. Ride-height clearance that can not be achieved through stock-provided axle grub screws, in conjunction with stock-size tires, would exempt the car from the minimum 1/16” clearance rule. Finally, the tire contact surface (“tread”) must not protrude from the fender or enclosing body work.
One shouldn’t have to buy special-sized tires to gain the clearance needed or put washers in to gain clearance unless owner chooses to, or intends to enter a modified or box stock limited-modified class.
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Post by blr on Mar 18, 2024 18:38:27 GMT -7
Another thing I thick should be allowed is the changing of the pinion and/or spur gear. It allows you to adjust your race car to better perform depending on the type of track your racing on. be it a track with long straights and big sweeping turns or a short track with tight turns. Are we restricted with a certain Super Tire # with a specific diameter? Is that checked at "tech"? I think the gear change should be allowed in some races. Such as a Slot-it group C race AND allow chassis suspension and other components made by Slot-it or whatever is offered by that specific manufacture. Do the 1:1 race car events not allow gear changes? Make the wrong choice... that's your problem. Those classes are more of a spec class to keep racing close. We will not be allowing gearing changes to box stock plus classes only limited classes that it is specified.
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Post by John Parker on Mar 18, 2024 20:30:43 GMT -7
Okay, I've read through all this a couple of times. I like some suggestions. But here are my thoughts for BS +. 1/16 clearance for everything on the cars, except the tires and gears ( gear housing molds on some makes). The track contacting part of the tires must be under the fenders of the cars, front and back. Traction magnets are taken out. All possible car parts are to be retained on the cars. But things do break. Gears can be checked simply by checking the color of the gear. In cases where the gear is a different color. The teeth should be counted as part of the tech rules. Weights can be added as the owner wishes.
All other adjustments are not allowed, unless specified in the rules set by the race committee. But those would be some level of modified class.
As for tech, I agree with Jim, mostly. Top 3 and any protested car(s). Pre-tech for those who want to make sure there car is legal. Tech does not have to interfere with race time, because it can happen during the racing as Ian suggested, or after the event. I note that Chris is correct in the concern for further damage could be done if the body is continually being taken off.
Further thought might be added.
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