"Slow" classes for 2023

[Jim W]

"Slow" classes for 2023

[Jim W]

Well, I see the Poll is closed and we have our Winners.
First - Sebring 1960-1965
Second - Pioneer Legends, Trans Am 2.5-Liter and FLY Can Am
Fifth - Revo Slot - Alfa GTA vs Ford Escort
Sixth - NASCAR - 60's

Jim W

[Jim W]

These classes, I think, will need to be looked at to see how we can run the classes. I don't think these classes can be run as Box Stock plus, other than Revoslot -Alfa GTA vs Ford Escort.

With the Pioneer Legends I would like to replace the guide and braids in that car, we will have to see how everyone's car does. When I ran the Legends in an IROC race at my house, we had guides come out of the car as well as braids that fell out.

The Sebring class has a lot of different cars, so I think this class will need to have the most changes to the cars. We will have to see if the NSR and Ford GT40 would/should even be included. We will have to look at motor restrictions or limits. May have to look at allowing changing the chassis and/or restricting motor pods or having them locked down. A lot to look at in this class.

Trans Am 2.5-Liter being a class for cars that ran during the same timeframe as the over 2.5-Liter Trans Am class, think V-8 for the over 2.5 class. I haven't looked at what may be available to use for this class. I think the biggest car was the Porsche 911. As far as I know, the Porsche 911 was raced without fender flairs, so it may be hard to find a car to race. The only car I know of is the MRRC 911, not in production for a long time. Other cars are smaller than the Porsche 911.

FLY Can Am, as far as I know, only has a couple of cars that were made for this class. The Porsche 917/10 was a Can Am car. The Porsche 917 Spider was raced in a few Can Am races. Getting cars can be hard to find.

If we need the last class - NASCAR - 60's had the most votes. It could be a fun class. Carrera still makes the cars. Monogram made some cars a while back. The newer cars would from Carrera would be just like the DTM cars, using the same motors and guides. Don't worry they are more top heavy than the Carrera DTM cars.

Jim W

[Jim W]

I have been looking at Racing Sports Cars website for the 1960-1965 Sebring class. I have found many cars that I think are able to be used for this class. Some may be only available as models and would require a chassis and interior such as the 1960 C1 Corvette, a Monogram model. Here is my listing of what I thought may be able to be used for this class. I didn't try to list a car again if it was used in multiple years so I could fit all of the cars on one page. Hope you can read the attachment and get an idea for possible cars for this class. Some of the cars, I know, are older slot cars, but there is a large variety of cars to get an idea for a car. I would think that the Ford GT by Slot.it and NSR would not be allowed in this class. I am guessing we would be putting limits on motors, such as 18k max. Another may be using 3D printed chassis, if it had a motor pod, the pod would have to be locked down, no float. The rules for this class are just at the start of ideas right now, but we will continue to work on them. So, this class will be run at a later date so the rules can be written and allow everyone to "buy" and create a car for this future class. Cars from the 1960's are tall and narrow compared to what we have raced before. It is a good idea for this to be a "slow" class.

Jim W

I was looking at what I may have for this class, 1960-1965 Sebring, and I found I have quite a few cars for this class. In my early testing, The Monogram Corvette Grand Sport will need the most work. It is front motored, and the plastic pinion falls off. I will be putting a 3D printed chassis under this car, since I don't want to press a brass pinion on the driveshaft. The FLY Ferrari 250 GTO cars are also front motored, but they run fine as made. Tom had one that ran great, so I think he may use that car when we race this class.

[chris]

Jan 7, 2023 12:30:23 GMT -7 Jim W said:

I have been looking at Racing Sports Cars website for the 1960-1965 Sebring class. I have found many cars that I think are able to be used for this class. Some may be only available as models and would require a chassis and interior such as the 1960 C1 Corvette, a Monogram model. Here is my listing of what I thought may be able to be used for this class. I didn't try to list a car again if it was used in multiple years so I could fit all of the cars on one page. Hope you can read the attachment and get an idea for possible cars for this class. Some of the cars, I know, are older slot cars, but there is a large variety of cars to get an idea for a car. I would think that the Ford GT by Slot.it and NSR would not be allowed in this class. I am guessing we would be putting limits on motors, such as 18k max. Another may be using 3D printed chassis, if it had a motor pod, the pod would have to be locked down, no float. The rules for this class are just at the start of ideas right now, but we will continue to work on them. So, this class will be run at a later date so the rules can be written and allow everyone to "buy" and create a car for this future class. Cars from the 1960's are tall and narrow compared to what we have raced before. It is a good idea for this to be a "slow" class.

Jim W



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I have a Ninco car that has a 20,000 rpm motor at 14.8 volts. Since we run at 10 volts it should lower the actual rpms of the motor. Would the motor be allowed to run in this class?
Chris

[Jim W]

The rules have not been written yet. There will be much to talk about for this class, such as what chassis and motors would be used for the class. Nothing has been decided yet.

20000/14.8 x 12 = 16,216 Yes that would be under an 18k RPM limit. We use the rating of 12 volts as a standard for our motors.

Jim W

[blr]

For the 60-65 Sebring class I’m slightly confused on the list of cars. So is this the first class that we are doing multi class racing then? Given Jim gave us all a list of all of the cars that competed at Sebring between those years they are collectively a group of 8 classes though.

[Tom Dolan]

Box Stock + was mentioned a few times with a spec motor (H&R or Preditor 18k) and I think this would be a good idea for this class. Putting a 3D chassis under one of these cars would just be unfair IMO. We should be able to make a car run well with the stock chassis by now. I also have an idea for another class down the road. Scalextric 80s F1--there are a few out there now (Williams--Mansell and Piquet--at the store now--and 2 Lotus 97Ts--Senna--also at the store now)


Tom

[Jim W]

The class in question, is 1960-1965 Sebring class. I do not know what car anyone will want to use, so yes, this class will probably be open to all cars used during those years. Again, we are going to run a Ford GT class, in the "fast" class, so I would not expect to use those same cars for a "slow" class also. This class will not be run for a while, because the rules have not been written and finalized yet. I feel it would be very hard to make this class Box stock plus. The cars I am looking at, I would want to use a 3D chassis to eliminate the "Monogram" chassis in some cars. Marc has some nice cars that he has used the 3D chassis. If someone has a body that they want to use for this class, it couldn't be used if the class was Box Stock plus, since it wasn't made as a slot car.

The same for the other "slow" classes, the rules have not been written and finalized yet.

I don't know, but when we ran the "Ford" vs "Ferrari" class, were the cars in the same class? Didn't the Fords have massive V-8s, some had 427ci, and the Ferraris have about 3-liter motors? Didn't they change the rules to prevent the Fords massive engines from racing?

Jim W

[DennLeo]

I don't want to run a slow class that doesn't run well until everything gets upgraded. It kinda defeats the purpose.