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Post by Tom Dolan on Sept 12, 2023 8:05:14 GMT -7
The club used to ask for $1.00 per car entry fee with half going to the club and half to the host. I think this is a good idea to help cover costs for refreshments and other expenses the host has incurred. Plus it gives the club more money for events like going to the Shelby Muaseum in Boulder, etc. Tom  |
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Post by dkmura on Sept 12, 2023 14:39:43 GMT -7
Tom- I favor using the RMSCC treasury to cover costs for host owners. Rather than spend any time collecting entry fees, why not use our treasury for the benefit of all of us? We've never had a lot of trips, races, etc. to go to during the year, so I contend this would be a better use of the treasury funds. Besides, Jerry has to hold all that cash in the treasury and it would be better to spread it around to all our track owners.
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Post by David C on Sept 12, 2023 19:07:15 GMT -7
There will be $1.00 "Entry fee"/ "track Maintenance fee"/ "Facilities fee /"Snack fee" of $1.00 per entrant at Laguna Seca... at time of "tech inspection".
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Post by DennLeo on Sept 13, 2023 14:41:56 GMT -7
Screw that
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Post by Tom Dolan on Sept 13, 2023 14:47:00 GMT -7
It's only a dollar Dennis, come on. Tom |
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Post by DennLeo on Sept 13, 2023 15:01:04 GMT -7
Thats not the point. If you can't afford 20 bucks for goodies once every 5 or 6 weeks you shouldn't be hosting races. If the is a fee for racing at Colpar I'm out.
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Post by Tom Dolan on Sept 13, 2023 20:15:26 GMT -7
Forget it then, I'm almost done with the club anyway. Tom  |
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Post by DennLeo on Sept 14, 2023 4:08:16 GMT -7
I just don't get it how David shows up after years of absence and bypasses the committee and starts making rules without any discussion.
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Post by Tom Dolan on Sept 14, 2023 7:55:37 GMT -7
I just don't get it how David shows up after years of absence and bypasses the committee and starts making rules without any discussion. Those "rules" were always in the club until recently when the committee stopped enforcing the clearance rule (always in th club rules). Dave is just trying to bring it back and I agree with him. The entry fee was just a way to reimburse the host but it was never a "rule". Tom |
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Post by amiatanut/marc.gosselin on Sept 14, 2023 15:06:46 GMT -7
I think If reimbursement is being considered oit should be a specific amount, say $15 to the host of the event paid for by the dues. This would make oit fair to all hosts, no matter how many show to race. As a host of small turn outs i must admit I never know how many will show so I try to plan for 10 and buy accordingly. Ive had 5 show up….
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Post by David C on Sept 15, 2023 10:24:57 GMT -7
I just don't get it how David shows up after years of absence and bypasses the committee and starts making rules without any discussion. OK... Let's discuss some of the issues you are concerned with... 1. My "absence" was, I retired, and we moved to Idaho for about three years. We moved back. 2. No, I did not go through the "committee" to ask them if I and or other "track owners" should/could start charging(?) "entry" fees. When this club was formed and racing at "track owners" houses, it was common practice to lay down a dollar for each car you entered to race. Half would go to the "track owner" and the other half would go to "the club". This was done at the tracks at the time which included Walter Penny, Tom Dolan, my Carrera track (which I sold to Jim W.) before I moved to a different house locally and built my 3 lane routed LeMans track (which I intend to build up again starting soon) and a few others that are no longer racing. "If you can't afford 20 bucks for goodies once every 5 or 6 weeks you shouldn't be hosting races. If the is a fee for racing at Colpar I'm out." That statement is a slippery slope. Is there a required list of food, snacks and drinks a "track owner" should provide for RMSCC members to come race their $60.00-$100.00+ cars on? Will a receipt be required to prove how much money was spent on these "goodies"? This topic of "entry fees" so far, objected to by one person is talking about "goodies" provided by the track owner. The other portion of the "fees", "track maintenance" and "facilities fees" has not even been touched... Yet... |
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Post by DennLeo on Sept 15, 2023 11:33:54 GMT -7
Here is my final word on this. I am not putting words or thoughts in anybodies mouth but from my perspective, Harry tends to maybe go overboard with feeding the racers which is appreciated but I think he does so because he enjoys having his friends over to race. I can't believe he is expecting a reimbursement to pay for the food that he generously supplied. Marc W a track that I have not run on yet, will smoke a pork shoulder for two reasons I think, correct me if I am wrong Marc. First he also enjoys having racer over and he has a love for smoking meat and from what I understand he is quite good at it.
When you invite people over your house for a BBQ do you charge them for the food?
Again my final word on this subject.
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Post by David C on Sept 15, 2023 11:37:05 GMT -7
I have a simple solution to the "snack/goodies" issue. I reminds me of my grandkid's soccer games... The parents "bring" the snacks to the game. Since the track owner(s) have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars on their tracks, why not have the racers that don't own tracks that are raced on by the club, bring the snacks/goodies? Maybe it's one more thing for the "race committee" to shoulder since they make the decisions on practically everything. They can be the "snack/goody committee too. I think there needs to be a "track owners committee"...  |
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Post by Tom Dolan on Sept 15, 2023 12:13:44 GMT -7
Here is my final word on this. I am not putting words or thoughts in anybodies mouth but from my perspective, Harry tends to maybe go overboard with feeding the racers which is appreciated but I think he does so because he enjoys having his friends over to race. I can't believe he is expecting a reimbursement to pay for the food that he generously supplied. Marc W a track that I have not run on yet, will smoke a pork shoulder for two reasons I think, correct me if I am wrong Marc. First he also enjoys having racer over and he has a love for smoking meat and from what I understand he is quite good at it. When you invite people over your house for a BBQ do you charge them for the food? Again my final word on this subject. When people are invited over for a BBQ they usually, if not always, bring something with them, salad, or other food or drinks. At least that is how it is in my experience. And we never charged a fee for racing at Colpar. Tom |
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Post by blr on Sept 15, 2023 18:07:21 GMT -7
This seem to be being blown out of proportion and I feel Dennis is being attacked here.
1) if you host a “BBQ” and ask people to bring a dish you are in fact hosting a potluck not a personal event.
2) Tom and Jim for the longest time were then only tracks that had snacks
3) not everyone actually eats the snacks or takes the drinks (I do)
4) if you are hosting a party at your house do you charge people to come? Not since college has someone paid to get in a party.
5) track owners CHOOSE to hold races at their own houses and CHOOSE to build layouts that they wish the club and or friends to join in on fun with.
6) tech is done when it is layed out in the individual class rules not for every class
7) the racing committee was created to make racing fun in the club
8) if refreshments are such a big deal let everyone fend for themselves
9) if your concerned about track maintenance wouldn’t you have the same maintenance weather or not the club raced on your track? Who pays for it then?
This topic seems silly and if a track owner is relying on help for refreshments maybe they shouldn’t be hosting to begin with or just not offer any. Everyone has taken it upon themselves to provide refreshments and have not been pressured to do so.
Jim how much money have you had to spend on the track from the club use and Tom as well?
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